I remember watching MacNamara on TV with his maps and pointer. Rumsfeld is no MacNamara. He talks straight. May not agree with him, but there is nothing phoney about the man. See
http://www.defenselink.mil/transcripts/2005/tr20050320-secdef2302.htmlQUESTION: Mr. Secretary, two years after the war, was it worth 1500 American lives and countless number of Iraqis? And on the other hand, are you concerned you're pushing the Iranians and Syrians together?
RUMSFELD: The answer as to whether it's worth it is you bet. There's 25 million Iraqis that are free. We've seen the effects, and we know for a fact that the great sweep of human history is for freedom. What you're seeing in Ukraine and what you're seeing in Lebanon, what you're seeing with the Palestinians, what's happened in Afghanistan, I think is a reflection of the fact that human beings basically want to be free and nations that are subjected to vicious dictatorships are the kinds of nations that do what Saddam Hussein did. He used chemical weapons on his own people and on his neighbors, the Iranians. He invaded two of his neighbors. What we're seeing today is economic progress in Iraq, we're seeing political progress and the seating of a Constituent Assembly. We're seeing progress on the security front with 145,000 Iraqi Security Forces now assuming greater responsibility.
What's happening in Afghanistan, and it's interesting, people don't ask about Afghanistan any more. Three thousand Americans were killed in the United States of America. Why? Because a terrorist state launched attacks against our country and killed innocent men, women and children. Today that country has a popularly-elected President, its economic progress is notable. Women were able to vote. Women are able to go out on the street today in Afghanistan without escorts and to participate in society.
So combined, 50 million people are free. Is it worth it? You bet.
QUESTION: The Iranians and Syrians?
RUMSFELD: The question the way you stated it implied that the Iranians and Syrians have not been connected for decades, which would be incorrect. They have been connected. Iran is a terrorist state; Syria is a terrorist state. The Iranians have been working with the Syrians and sending down weapons for the Hezbollah through Damascus into Beirut, Lebanon and into the Bekaa Valley for years after years after years. So there's nothing new in terms of that relationship.